Dr. Núñez's Laboratory. Once again, I visited Lima, Peru, my beautiful country with lots of things to do. One of them was meeting with Dr. Cesar Nuñez, to follow-up on my immunotherapy treatment.
During this visit, Dr. Nuñez gave me the opportunity to visit his new lab’s facilities outside of Lima, which will be opening very soon. Dr. Nuñez is the immunologist who developed this immunotherapy for cancer patients. I invite you to visit his laboratory’s facilities and to find out more about his innovate immunotherapy process. Please join us on the tour!
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Hello my friends, I am Karen Berrios of karenberrios.com
I am here again, in Lima, Peru, visiting my beautiful country, with lots of things to do. One of them is meeting with Dr. Cesar Nuñez, to follow-up on my
- Good morning, Dr. Nuñez.
-Good morning, Karen.
-Dr. Nuñez has given us this big opportunity or has rather given me this big opportunity to visit his new lab’s facilities outside of Lima, which will be inaugurated soon.
Thank you very much for this invitation, Dr. Nuñez.
-My pleasure, Karen.
-Well I’m here, eager to visit this lab, and hoping that you will explain a little bit more about your immunotherapy treatment process.
-Sure. Good morning to all of you. I am Dr. Nuñez, the immunologist who developed this immunotherapy for cancer patients. I invite you to visit our laboratory’s facilities. So please join us in this tour.
Very well, Karen.
This is the place where it all starts. I take the blood sample and your blood
is inoculated into the hosts who will stay in this place where the specific
immune response for your treatment will be developed.
-What do you mean by specific immune response?
- It’s the antitumor response that we all have, but cancer patients have lost.
-And why do cancer patients lose this antitumor response?
-We know that cancer is a multifactorial disease and that there are multiple causes which concur and lead to this phenomenon or specific immune response. But there is no actual answer to your question. There is no specific reason -there are multiple reasons which aren’t still evidenced.
We can say that we know 35% of what causes cancer, but the remainder 65%
is still unknown. So, being able to jump into conclusions to establish what causes cancer is still not possible.
- So, the process that takes place here, in this…inoculation? room…
-… generates the antitumor response.
-But we don’t know what causes this to cease in a cancer patient.
- Well, we don’t know all of the causes. I can state that cigarettes are a risk factor for cancer, I can say that there are chemical or noxious elements – like asbestos, for instance- which are cancer-causing agents. I can also say that, for instance, excessive fat consumption is also a risk factor for some types of cancer, for many of them indeed, but I cannot add
up all of these elements and establish that a patient will develop cancer. It
is kind of a fundamentalist concept. Not everyone who smokes has cancer. Not everyone who eats too much fat develops cancer. Hence, it is important to analyze the concept and what it means and avoid being too fundamentalist which takes us to the other side of the spectrum of believing that that is the reason
why. We need to understand that for a patient to develop lung cancer, it isn’t
enough for him/her to be a smoker, since there are patients who do not smoke and have lung cancer. And there are also patients who smoke without lung cancer.
Therefore, cancer is multifactorial.
If we had enough knowledge to lay down all of the risk factors for cancer, we would then be able to establish a relationship between smoking, eating too much of something and negative emotions and the risk of developing cancer, but, we do not have such an extensive knowledge unfortunately and we assume that this disease has some reason for being; these three aspects mean something on the disease expression, but we still don’t know how much specific weight they do have to be able to determine how much they intervene in the disease expression.
- However, despite not having all the specific knowledge so as to
establish why a patient develops cancer cells, -assuming it’s due to different
factors-, two patients may have the same cancer diagnosis, but the underlying
factors might be different, right?
-Yes. Definitely, just like cancer is expressed differently in different people, and this is hard to accept- risk factors will also be different for both of them.
For some people, smoking could bear more weight than other factors; for others, it could be their nutrition, and for others, their emotional condition -which most people argue but still does not prove it bears more weight than the others.
- Which I personally think has a great impact.
-And I do too. Actually, if I review, compare and contrast the clinical charts of my patients, I might be in the position to state that 80-90% of them, one or two years before expressing the disease, went through the death of a loved one, or a severe financial loss, or persistent anxiety, which made the disease to finally express itself. This does not mean that the emotional aspect generates cancer. This means it is an additional factor, which bears a lot of
weight in the expression of the disease.
-Something I think is very interesting and amazing regarding your immunotherapy treatment is that you use the patient’s blood. If I was diagnosed with thyroid cancer and another patient was also diagnosed with thyroid cancer, the underlying reasons that generated this cancer type in both are different. And hence the reason why I think your treatment is wonderful, since you use the patient’s specific blood, which is unique to his body …
-…So, this is the place where you process all the responses.
-Your question is super important and valid, and I would say it is the most important thing I want to express in my immunotherapy experience, since
science is now revealing, with more strength than ever, that cancer behaves
different in each person.
-If cancer behaves different from patient to patient, tumor antigens expressed by each patient -even when we are dealing with the same cancer type- will be different. Hence, when I draw blood from a patient, this patient will reveal the nature of his disease’s behavior -his own. And the treatment we
develop works specifically for that patient. The therapeutical management then
changes, since we are producing a treatment that comes from the patient and
generates an indirect benefit that comes from him and we are not providing a
rather universal approach. And this is what I give to all my cancer patients.
It is pretty complex, but still valid. And this is also something being revealed by science now, with the most up-to-date information.
-Doctor, this is what has hit me the most, since, as you well put it, the medical system currently offers general treatments to people suffering from this disease.
There are conventional treatments like chemotherapy, surgery or radiation, or
alternative treatments for people like me, based on nutrition protocols, or
non-invasive therapies like ozone, oxygen, light, etc. There are many options out there, and I have personally tried some, which helped me. But your
treatment has given me something unique, and also innovative, given that you are using the patient’s own blood. This inoculation process works as a vaccine, right? A sort of antidote for the person to regain his own defense mechanism within his immune system, to fight the disease, right?
-Well, actually it is not a sort of vaccine. To understand the concept correctly, I will elaborate a little bit more. The concept underlying immunotherapy and vaccination is exactly the same. A specific stimulus of the immune system. The specific stimulation of the immune system before getting
sick is called vaccination and after getting sick is called immunotherapy. So, I offer you immunotherapy because you have this disease, but -theoretically- if I gave it to myself, since I don’t have a diagnosed cancer, it would be a vaccine. And this application from the conceptual perspective, is valid; from a realistic point of view, it is the scientific evidence that would prove if this is also something that we can offer as a therapeutical offer in the form of a vaccine. But it is absolutely valid.
-What an interesting concept, doctor. As a patient, I think it would be ideal, for a patient suffering from cancer, to come to you…
-Or not having cancer...
-…or not having it, or coming to you sooner, much sooner. Because what I have heard and seen is that many people who receive this diagnosis of cancer, are automatically overwhelmed by fear and, before analyzing and considering all the options available, resort to treatments which might in turn cause cancer, just out of fear. And they can cause more problems, conflicts and make the patient even weaker.
- There are two possible situations here. One: cancer is managed with a
multidisciplinary approach with conventional and unconventional tools,
therapeutical tools. Cancer management should not be fundamental. If it were
fundamental, then, the patient who does not undergo chemo, or radiotherapy, as
in your case, would never do well. And there is evidence that patients who did not opt for these treatments did very well. So, we should not be fundamentalists when it comes to treating cancer and state that the patient needs only to undergo a conventional treatment. We need to take a holistic look at the problem. Immunotherapy then, which is the alternative we offer, turns into another therapeutical option. Moreover, the mere fact of having a therapeutical tool that can induce the patient’s immune system to trigger a specific fight against this disease, conceptually implies that it would be
viable to treat cancer even before it appears. The therapeutical offers or commercial management are always established to prevent cancer, or to diagnose it early.
Like breast exams, or different tests to detect cancer early on. But real
prevention, considering your lifestyle or a therapeutical intervention before
getting sick does not exist, at least as it should be.
Hence, immunotherapy might turn into a prevention tool, where I will treat a patient who has not yet expressed a disease and prevent him from ever expressing it. This could very well establish immunotherapy as prevention. In fact, it is a possibility.
- Having said this, your blood, which has been inoculated into the hosts, spends the necessary immunization time and once this immunization has finished, it moves on to the freeze-drying process to prepare the specific treatment and the capsules I give you.
Can we go there to show you?
-Sure. Let’s move on.
- Excellent. Come on in, Karen.
Well, Karen, we are now in the freeze-drying area. Once the immune response has been generated in the hosts, we receive the blood here to freeze-dry it. As it comes through here, it enters a freezing period since it needs to be taken down to minus 30º more or less, to then enter the freeze-drying process.
Karen, the frozen product comes to the freeze-drying area and it is placed in the freeze-drying machines. The freeze-drying trays are then accommodated to extract water from the immunized blood. All the water is then extracted and this process from the biological standpoint is called
freeze-drying without altering the biological activity. What does this mean? If
I want to remove water from a product, I can dehydrate it, BUT this process of
dehydration does not preserve the biological activity of the product -which
freeze-drying DOES, since first it is frozen and then water is removed by
vacuum. This preserves the biological activity of freeze-dried products.
- So, nothing is altered.
- The properties remain unaltered. Not only the biological activity will be preserved, but the odor, color, taste and structure will also be.
-No structure will be altered.
-Once the freeze-drying process ends, it goes into these areas where the
grain sizing and encapsulation processes take place. It is important to mention
that there is temperature and moisture control in this specific space, which
has to be very cold to avoid contamination and also dry -moisture has to be
maximum 40%- since the freeze-dried product can gain water content very fast.
So, Karen, when the process ends, capsules and bottles are ready and the space
where it all took place has to be cleaned up and sterilized. Once the sterilization took place and another process is ready to take over, UV radiation has to be used to eliminate all the germs.
-Well, our journey through this new laboratory has finished.
Dr. Nuñez, thank you very much…
-You’re welcome, Karen.
- …for your time, for the invitation. Now I and all of the people who are watching this video know more about your new lab that will soon be inaugurated and also know more about the great work you do with this immunotherapy treatment which has helped me and many other people who have been diagnosed with cancer. I deeply thank
you and your team for your work and dedication. Would you like to give some
final words to the people who are watching this video? Something you want them to take away.
- I want them to consider passive immunotherapy as a therapeutical tool,
but not when there is nothing to do for the patient -who has already gone
through all the therapeutical tools out there- but as a primary tool that can lead
to achieving better outcomes in terms of efficacy and efficiency so that there
is more evidence of the outcomes. Also bear in mind that being diagnosed with
cancer is not a death sentence. Cancer needs to be managed holistically, with expectations and lots of possibilities.
-There is always hope.
-Indeed, Karen. I hope you liked the tour. We have another therapeutical
tool to offer cancer patients. If someone is interested, the doors are open.
-How can the people who are watching this video contact you?
-We have our website and we can also be contacted by telephone.
-Which we will include in this video. Is that alright?
-Thank you very much, doctor.
- I would like to finish this video with big news: I don’t have any evidence of disease, thank God!
I know that since I was diagnosed 5 years ago, I have learned a lot about cancer. From the patient’s perspective, my advice would be: do not make decisions based on fear.
I know that when someone receives such a diagnosis is overwhelmed by fear. I
invite you to take a deep breath and analyze all your options before choosing a treatment of therapy to fight this disease.
I am grateful for you and your work, and am really happy to share that I don’t have any evidence of disease.
Thank you very much, doctor. Thank God. Thank you to all the doctors who were part of my journey, because I know that cancer is a multifactorial disease and indeed there were many factors, many other medical protocols which influenced my healing process.
Thank you for sharing with us and for being part of this visit.